20/12/2024
Hande Eagle: Why did you choose to add London to your life over any other city on the European continent?
Seçkin Pirim: I didn't actually make a decision to move to London. It just happened that way. Before the Covid-19 pandemic I was working with a gallery in New York. During that time I opened a studio in Brooklyn so I could spend more time in New York and be present in NY's art world. However, it was the early days of the pandemic and as time passed by I realised I wasn't being very productive. I also got tired of travelling between Istanbul and New York. After the pandemic when I made the decision to close my studio there, I was working on a project in London and decided to relocate. That project had a big role to play in my decision to live in London. I hadn't thought about it before that. I now think it was the right decision and I'm very happy for it.
H.E: What is the personal and public significance of your current exhibition at Triennale Milano?
S.P: What's special about the exhibition in Milan is that it's my first solo show in Italy. I was very excited to presented such an opportunity. I hadn't come into contact with Italian art-lovers except for various representations in art fairs. Another important factor was Triennale Milano's far-reaching audience. Secondly, this exhibition is hosting some of the largest works I've created to-date. It's also the first time such a large outdoor sculpture being exhibited on their premises.
H.E: What are your opinions on the curatorial aspects of the exhibition?
S.P: The exhibition has been curated by Tommaso Tovaglieri. We have been working on this exhibition for one and a half years. We decided together on the new and past works to be exhibited. It was a special occasion as it was the first time that I had an Italian curator evaluate my works. I'm content with our collaboration.
"Gate of Eye is actually a gaze from the past to the present. From antiquity to the present.
It also acts as an entrance to the exhibition.
As you picked up on it, it's a multi-faceted work.
It does, as you assumed, make a reference to the evil eye."
SEÇKİN PİRİM
H.E: All of the works on display are large-scale and either completely new and unseen or fairly recent. However, I noticed some signs of physical damage. Are you aware of this? Will you be retouching or fixing them when they return to you?
S.P: As I mentioned, the works in this exhibition are some of the largest I've exhibited abroad up until now. Six of the twelve works on display are being seen for the first time. Although the other works included in the exhibition are not site-specific, they are works from 2024. Some of the minor damages were sustained during transportation and which I didn't have the opportunity to fix in-situ. However, some of the damages you photographed are unfortunately new. What can I say... People like to touch art. Of course, I won't let the works become part of a collection in their damaged state. Once the exhibition ends all the damage has to be repaired.
H.E: Gate of Eye - situated right outside Triennale Milano - is a monumental work. What does it mean to you? Why was it positioned the way it has been? When you stand in front of it, you can see trees and the cityscape, like a window that opens out to life from the eye. If you stand behind it, you see the entrance doors of the museum. Did you intend to make a reference to the ‘evil eye’ when you painted it that shade of blue? Is there ‘evil’ in the art world? Or, is the world outside ‘evil’?
S.P: If we think about the exhibition as a whole, Gate of Eye is actually like a gaze that looks from the past to the present. From antiquity to the present. It also acts as an entrance to the exhibition. As you picked up on it, it's a multi-faceted work. It does, as you assumed, make a reference to the evil eye. That's why I painted it that shade of blue. I have an evil eye that I have been wearing for years; it has spiritual importance for me. In one way, this work is the "protective evil eye" of this exhibition. To answer the latter part of your question, for me there is only one distinction in relation to humans. That is the distinction between good people and bad people. Other than that, I don't judge people for their religion, language, race or beliefs. Having said that, there are those that carry negative energy in all walks of life.
H.E: How do you position yourself as an artist in today's global political climate? Do you feel that your art is political?
S.P: It is impossible for an intelligent and functioning mind to not be political. As an artist I don't choose to reflect upon this in my work, which is a place of happiness and respite, and I wish to keep pure. We are subjected to far too much political pollution in our individual lives and we struggle against that. When I work on my art I choose take my own experiences as a starting point and try to bring to the surface subjects from the depths of my own world.
"I have never made an artwork for the sake of having done it.
Neither have I ever followed the latest trends in art for my personal gain.
My whole life is dedicated to art. Therefore, as my life changed so has my art."
SEÇKİN PİRİM
H.E: In an interview you gave to art historian and curator Marcus Graf in 2014 and published in Artful Living, you stated, “When in our current day there's a technology called laser, and it can do in one day the work it would otherwise take me a month to do manually, doing it manually doesn't make much sense to me. Using technology allows me to move faster professionally because I can see the results faster and make faster decisions in the next work.” I know that you also refer to The Masnavi by Rumi as an influence on your artistic practice. Though, as you are also aware, Sufism encourages meditation and taking time when making decisions instead of rushing in. Can you please explain the dichotomy between how you practice your art and your interest in such a spiritual text? Why is it important for you to produce works so fast?
S.P: I make use of technological tools in the main components of the works. The rest is made manually. At any given time, I have many ideas that I wish to work on. When I work, I create the work to see the results for myself, not for the viewers. In such cases, I use laser to cut the cardboard or paper if I think the result would be the same if it had been done by hand. I don't think this way of working devalues the work itself. It's a shame that I am a bit hasty. I am working on paring off that side of my character. I've been heavily influenced by Rumi's teachings on wholeness in my work and personal life. This is an ongoing influence. Many of his teachings have penetrated my life. I suppose I have to keep on working on taming my hastiness. :-) I have managed to reel it in in my day-to-day life, but unfortunately with art not so much...
H.E: How much have you changed as an artist in the last decade?
S.P: Looking back at the last decade, I can say that my work changes in direct correlation with my life. I have never made an artwork for the sake of having done it. Neither have I ever followed the latest trends in art for my personal gain. My whole life is dedicated to art. Therefore, as my life changed so has my art. Ten years ago I was obsessed with symmetry, and everything I produced was symmetrical. I thought that if I can overcome this in my art I can also overcome it in my life, and I opened "Glitch", an exhibition comprising completely asymmetrical works. It was so hard for me to create those works but in the aftermath, I was freed from my obsession. This is perhaps one of the greatest changes in the last decade. Living in London for the past two years has also had an impact on my art. I suppose I'll be able to tell you more about the psychological effects of that at the next exhibition.
H.E: “A painting on a wall resembles a man, but see what it is lacking in that empty form” is a quote from The Masnavi (p.32). To what extent would you say the negative spaces in and around your sculptures make or help create them? Do you think about negative space more than form?
S.P: The negative spaces in the sculptures are more important to me than the actual form of the sculptures. A work of art needs to respire. It has to create a sense of transition. I have made some works that people can walk through. They say you have to be able to walk around a sculpture. I second that and add that one also has to be able to walk through it. I once made a sculpture inspired by the lyrics of a Leonard Cohen song that I like. In fact, those lyrics explain my approach to sculpture quite well: "Forget your perfect offering. There is a crack, a crack in everything. That’s how the light gets in…"
H.E: Can you please elaborate on the contexts of your works titled, Sarcophagus I & II? The imagery of the three serpent heads in red and the three tortoises in blue? I made some parallels between them and certain paintings by Osman Hamdi Bey (The Tortoise Trainer) and other Orientalists who depicted scenes with snake charmers.
S.P: The sarcophagus works are from a series I started working on about ancient cities, in particular, Aphrodisias - a spiritually important place for me. One of the reasons behind that is that Aphrodisias was where the world's first school of sculpture was founded. Many of the sarcophagi, sculptures and columns, were made to order by masters and their apprentices and sent to various places across the world. Their extraordinary workmanship, their mastery is unmatched. Aphrodisias is home to some of the world's most unique sculptures. After visiting the ancient city several times I decided to work on my own sarcophagi. Most of the ones I saw on my visits to the ancient city were decorated animals and symbols that were believed to protect the sarcophagi.
The snake and the tortoise are two animals that have symbolic significance to me. My admiration of tortoises might have something to do with my hasty character and my desire to match a tortoise's languidness. And the snake... I was told by an astrologer some years a go that the snake is one my guardian animals. That is why I chose them to protect my own sarcophagi.
H.E: Your work titled, Grey Columns came into being through layering 80 sheets of Bristol cardboard. Why did you choose this material and why 80 sheets?
S.P: Grey Columns constitutes the first steps of my exhibition due to open in 2025. Each of the grey columns are made of 80 sheets of cardboard. I'd decided on the number of sheets when I began making these paper-based works which date back to a previous exhibition titled ‘Disiplin Fabrikası’ (Discipline Factory) and which symbolise the average human lifespan. Later, when I decided to continue working with this medium, I chose to work with the same number of sheets.
H.E: Can you tell us about your projects in 2025?
S.P: In March 2025 I will be opening a solo exhibition Dirimart, the gallery I work with in Istanbul. Then in May I'm going to have another solo exhibition at Baksı Museum. There are also art fairs throughout the year: Art Basel, Art Dubai, Art Singapore and New York Armory during which I will be exhibiting new works. I hope that there'll also be other surprises in the form of exhibitions and projects.
With special thanks to Seçkin Pirim and Triennale Milano.
Seçkin Pirim will be on display at Triennale Milano until January 19, 2025. Free entrance.
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